Curse

thunderpower · Feb 21, 2006, 09:26 AM // 09:26

I think everyone agrees that untill the GWWC observer stuff is not removed there will be no nerf. So ANET pls remove it already cuz i can't hardly wait to see what will happen with the skills.

thunderpower · Feb 21, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

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Originally Posted by Lady Lozza

lol I would honestly prefer two man farming teams, this game is so social but because players can farm solo they do. Farming is boring as, but necessary for clothes horses like myself. So bring on the "other" nerf for PS

My guildies and I will run 2 man farming teams day in day out, and have running commentary on our TS channel. I get money (for armour) and I get to socialise, what more could a girl want?

Actually i know for sure that there are more things a girl wants, you`ll grow upand see

Numa Pompilius · Feb 21, 2006, 09:34 AM // 09:34

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Originally Posted by Dzan

The point is, SS deals AOE damage when a when a warrior attacks. Empathy deals damage when a warrior attacks.

Empathy is a mesmer spell, tho. Perhaps SS should be a mesmer elite too.

T1Cybernetic · Feb 21, 2006, 12:35 PM // 12:35

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Originally Posted by Skuld

Resurrection Signet.. come on bring someone back to life just like that?? :|

Ha ressurect signet owned, You dont get humor like
that anywhere else mate, . yorkshire at it's best!

Seriously though, i recon iway and spiteful will be the first to go because
iway = and spiteful spirit owns farming in a big way nowerdays just
like some of the aoe skills that were working great before it will go...

R.I.P Protective Bond!

Numa Pompilius · Feb 21, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

That reminds me... am I the only one who feel some skills are in the wrong profession? I.e., Scourge Healing should be necro, not monk; SS should be mesmer, not Necro; Vengeance should be necro not monk; remove hex should be mesmer not monk....

I don't expect these to change, just curious if others feel some skills are in the wrong profession too...

brokenkey · Feb 21, 2006, 01:17 PM // 13:17

SS shouldn't be nerfed. If you look at the Ele nerf, pretty much the majority of Eles were echo fire, with only one build. Look at warriors, and the only build that is recognised and used is IWAY (gross generalisation I know). But in the necro line you have at 3 specific builds - SS/SV, MM and Order. I'd say they were pretty evenly balanced in terms of usage.

Mysterial · Feb 21, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Ghull Ka

Not to tread where I do not belong, but Heal Party spam can be shut down with a single Distracting Shot, can it not? A wise E/Mo would surely Blinding Flash a ranger that got too near, but the possibility is there. So why change a skill to "balance" it for PvP when it can be "balanced" by the skill user's enemy already?

Good luck trying to track down someone who's spamming a radar range spell. If you can get within arrow range at all, he certainly won't be stupid enough to be casting while you're there.

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Nerfing Ressurection Signet!? Because people use them in PvP to rez their teams!? Pity the thought! Good grief, that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, and if it's on the horizon then there's another skill that's been screwed over by PvP at large. IWAY teams rez-chain. Well, duh, when you're all dead, you rez up. If anything, they should take out the "recharges when you get a morale boost" crap and put it back to "can be used once per mission only".

You do realize that changing the health on Resurrection Signet has exactly zero effect on your precious PvE game, right? Oh, and removing the recharge on morale boost is a far bigger nerf than what I've ever been proposing, but if Arenanet wants to do that instead, go right ahead.

Battle Torn · Feb 21, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23

Not another nerf nerf nerf

Kylie Minon · Feb 21, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

What i find disturbing is the idea of a nerfing not focused on balancing skills/profesions ... but a nerf for us not to play a certain build and try another one... just like some people pointed out (IWAY would be the main aim in this case)

I don't think forcing players not to play a build is the right way to empower variety on gameplay... that should be players choice, not ANets.

Players should decide wether they want to run a balanced build, a ranger spike, an ele spike or IWAY, not ANet.

Most people would agree that a Minion Factory group has little chance to get to HoH and hold it... but people still run it... most of them know they have no chance getting as far... but still run it, wether because they just choose to do it or because they just have plain simple fun with it.

If certain balanced build "X" gets as popular as IWAY is now... What we do? Nerf balanced build "X" and "empower" balanced "Y"?.

If nerf is here to improve gameplay, welcome... but if it's here to teach us what build ANet think we should be playing (Or not) i find it an offense to our freedom of playing what we want the way we want it.

PS: Pardon my errors... I'm not an native english speaker

Ulivious The Reaper · Feb 21, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

as long as they don't nerf traps, mending, and Minion Mastery, any other nerfs is just good for me :P

ShadowStorm · Feb 21, 2006, 02:56 PM // 14:56

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Originally Posted by Ulivious The Reaper

as long as they don't nerf traps, mending, and Minion Mastery, any other nerfs is just good for me :P

Nerf Mending? How could they possibly make it worse (without somehow combining it with otygugh's cry)?

Ulivious The Reaper · Feb 21, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

iono, by making it a enchantment spell that you can't keep on your self, and make it last like 10 seconds, and personally,i think its a good spell to have if your a wa mo with a vampiric wepon

Maxiemonster · Feb 21, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

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Originally Posted by Two April Mornings

Gale.
SV.
SS.
Distortion.
Crippling Shot.

Exactly what I was thinking about.

awelcomecomatose · Feb 21, 2006, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Any one who has a complaint about SS in PvP is too lazy to keep track of the hexes on themself.

Tainek · Feb 21, 2006, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Mysterial

Good luck trying to track down someone who's spamming a radar range spell. If you can get within arrow range at all, he certainly won't be stupid enough to be casting while you're there.

then he is shut down then isnt he? he runs, hes not casting, he doesnt cast, hes not casting, he casts, you disable, GG

allience · Feb 21, 2006, 03:43 PM // 15:43

i'm reluctant about nerfs.. everytime something got nerfed, something else became 'overpowered'. but to get on topic:

IWAY-i think this skill should only affect party members.

distorsion-it might drain more energy per hit and i'm not happy about it.

spiteful spirit-who even suggested that nerf? it's not oerpowered in any way. it's a good skill vs iway but other than that, ANY build with hex removers gets rid of it fast. i see no valid point to nerf that. as a monk, the only hex that disables me is migrane or good e-surgers.

gale: i think changing this skill in any way will render it pretty useless.

orders: i see no valid point to nerf the orders skills to closer range.

crippling shot: i don't find it overpowered but i donno it might be in gvg.

hopefully the skill balance will not turn out to be another bad move as it happened when iway got buffed. the only nerf i liked was the ranger spirits. now that was a good move, hoh was starting to be like a staring contest...

i'm not happy how things are in heros ascent at the moment. it's always the same builds, same tactics: iway/[insert profession here] spike/balanced/degen...

i took a look at all the different skills that ppl never use because they are not good. i think many skills need a buff instead of always nerfing the existent ones. anet said gw is all about the different skill combos, bullshit. there are only a few usefull skills in each profession. more than half skills are rubbish, they MIGHT have a use in pve in only 1 or 2 areas... i'm hoping to see a buff in all the skills no1 uses, i wanna see a change coz i'm sick of always clicking the same damn skills.

darkMishkin · Feb 21, 2006, 03:51 PM // 15:51

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Originally Posted by allience

i'm hoping to see a buff in all the skills no1 uses, i wanna see a change coz i'm sick of always clicking the same damn skills.

Is it not the same (but with less work) to nerf the overused as to buff the underused?

Fantus · Feb 21, 2006, 03:58 PM // 15:58

Yeah, indeed. This balancing round really should be more about buffs, not nerfs. The spells that got hit with the AoE update really could use some reduce to energy costs and/or recharge time (Firestorm...). Smite monks don't have many nice damage spells anymore (except SoJ). Does ANYONE play a smite monk in PvE who is not a 55 build?

And yes, they REALLY should move SS over to the Mesmer class. But please leave that spell untouched otherwise. Yes, it's powerful. As an elite skill should be.

I am not to optimistic, though - knowing A-net, I expect a lot more nerfs than buffs...

Malchior Devenholm · Feb 21, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Heh...why all the predictions...Ppl are so scared they're gonna lose their favorite combo through the update just like all the nukers cried when AOE was screwed and enemy AI increased...

Just because a skill is good in a variety of situations doesn't mean-OMG OVERPOWERED, NERF!!!

Only one thing has been confirmed by Gaile and The Frog-IWAY WILL BE NERFED FOR ITS CONSTANT USE AND NO NEED OF SKILL TO USE IT

Everyone should just adapt to any additional changes...

Mysterial · Feb 21, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Tainek

then he is shut down then isnt he? he runs, hes not casting, he doesnt cast, hes not casting, he casts, you disable, GG

Besides the facts that any smart Heal Party spammer is going to choose the most defensible position available and that it is easy to get behind a wall for 2 seconds, you're going to chase him all over the map, out of range of your monks? You won't stay alive very long.